From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Tue, Sep 16, 2003, 10:54am (PDT+3) To: GoseDescendant@webtv.net Subject: Re: Walkup Genealogy from what I can find Mary Jane Shaw's husband was most definately related to the Stranges that two of Oliver's siblings married (William Walkup and Sarah Walkup). Alan ______________________________________________________ From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Mon, Sep 15, 2003, 2:27pm (PDT+3) To: GoseDescendant@webtv.net Subject: Re: Walkup Genealogy I found out that it is Denny that you asked if I was doing all this for. Alan _______________________________________________________ From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Mon, Sep 15, 2003, 2:19pm (PDT+3) To: GoseDescendant@webtv.net Subject: Re: Walkup Genealogy I'm sending off today to Adair Co, KY Court Clerk to see if I can get a copy of the page in the Medical Register of Bob's Medical License (that is if he registered). It was State law in 1889 that doctors had to register with the County and show their Medical Credentials, i.e. where they went to Medical School, etc. In 1879 the Kentucky law asking doctors to register went into effect, but they weren't required to register until the law in 1889 went on the books. I'm hoping he did register before he stopped practicing before 1890; he doesn't appear listed in 1890 in the book - "Medical and Surgical Register of the United States" published in 1890 by R.L. Polk & Company. Alan _______________________________________________________ From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Sun, Sep 14, 2003, 11:08am (PDT+3) To: GoseDescendant@webtv.net Subject: Re: Walkup Genealogy I on the other hand found something of interest at the Family History Library! Thessalonia's father's name was: Robert and was also known as Bob. I found this in a booklet called: "Death Records of Adair County, Kentucky And Russell, Casey, Green, Cumberland and Taylor Counties, prior to 1900" complied by Michael C. Watson; published 1987 Columbia, KY on page 33 of this booklet, from compiled data from the old newspaper "The Spectator" which was printed from 1869 to 1910 in Columbia, KY; specifically from issue dated 7 Sep 1898 was this obituary -- Dr. Bob Shaw, an old man, died on the 1st. In other words: Dr. Robert L. Shaw, a.k.a. Dr. Bob Shaw died on 1 Sep 1898 in Columbia, Adair Co, KY Sincerely, Alan Lerwick _______________________________________________________ From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 9:24pm (PDT+3) To: GoseDescendant@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: more on Mary Belle I got this e-mail from Joanne It appears that it is a Nolan Walkup that she spoke of that lived/lives in Amarillo, TX. Alan Lerwick From:    JAYGEE36@aol.com Full-name:    JAYGEE36 Date:    Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 8:40pm (PDT+3) Subject:    Re: more on Mary Belle To:    Alerwick@aol.com Hi Alan, I was surprised to hear from you , but it was nice to get some facts as recorded. I don't think I can help you . I did recently get some info. from Robert W. Walkups's wife. there was a hand written page of info. from a decendent of Robert Oliver  Walkup. I don't know who this was as no name was attached. It stated: From Columbia,KY this family started west to Mangun,OK where they farmed.(Mangun is in Greer Co. & you said that you had looked there.)Then they moved on to Delhi,OK  where Talbot filed on some government land that was called Haystack Valley. Then in 1909 they moved to Sayre,OK wh ere Talbot had a General Store. After all the ups & downs in Sayre they moved in 1911 to New Mexico. (Lived in Benonina,OK for 2 weeks, Talbot chartered a railroad car to haul the cattle & dry good to Dalhart,TX and the rest of the family came on to Sedan,NM by way of wagon. I don't know if it would be of any benefit to look around Guymon,OK. Texas Co. I do know that Bell & Arthur had close friends there. Bell' s daughter Thelma was the one that told me that Bell had been married twice before she married Arthur. Bell herself told me that she married the first time just to get away from home. I don't recall her telling me anything of the second marriage. I really don't know about the Indian heritage except that Bell said that she had Cherokee ancestors. Some years back we corresponded with a Nolan Walkup that lived in Amarillo,TX (he was the son of Thomas Walkup,Bell's older brother) & he said in one letter that "some of us are getting royalties". We didn't look into it or ask questions.It was not mentioned again.  If I find any other info. that might lead to the 1900 cenus I'll let you know. Sincerely, Joann _______________________________________________________ E-mail message From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Sat, Sep 6, 2003, 5:11pm (PDT+3) To: GoseDescendant@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: Walkup geneaolgy CORRECTION that should have read that Martha Cravens Turner died in 1871   NOT   1971!! From:    Alerwick@aol.com Full-name:    Alerwick Date:    Fri, Sep 5, 2003, 1:40pm (PDT+3) Subject:    Fwd: Walkup geneaolgy CORRECTION To:    GoseDescendant@webtv.net CORRECTION Martha Cravens (Turner) Walkup was born on 8 Jul 1816 Adair Co., KY and died 1 Apr 1971 Adair Co., KY From:    Alerwick@aol.com Full-name:    Alerwick Date:    Fri, Sep 5, 2003, 12:52pm (PDT+3) Subject:    Re: Walkup geneaolgy To:    GoseDescendant@webtv.net 1. Oliver Garnett WALKUP (Matthew WALKUP (3), Matthew WALKUP (2), Joseph WALKUP (1) was born 12 MAR 1810 in Glen's Fork, Adair Co., KY, and died 26 NOV 1885 in Glen's Fork, Adair Co., KY. He married Martha Cravens TURNER 26 AUG 1847 in Adair Co., KY. She was born 4 JUL 1830 in Adair Co., KY, and died 1871. He married Tabitha CAPE 5 JUN 1873 in Adair Co., KY. She was born ABT 1852 in Adair Co., KY.       Children of Oliver Garnett WALKUP and Martha Cravens TURNER are:     2    Joseph Matthew WALKUP was born 29 OCT 1848 in Adair Co., KY.     3    Nancy Jane WALKUP was born 8 OCT 1850 in Adair Co., KY, and died 1911 in KY. She married Elijah MELSON. He was born 11 JAN 1838 in Adair Co., KY, and died 20 OCT 1928 in Adair Co., KY.     4    Mary Angelina WALKUP was born 4 NOV 1852 in Adair Co., KY, and died 23 MAR 1925. She married George Oscar MILLER 13 NOV 1871 in Columbia, Adair Co., KY. He was born ABT 1852.         5    Talbert White WALKUP was born 6 DEC 1854 in Adair Co., KY, and died Jul 1917 Sedan, Union Co., NM. He married Thessalonia SHAW ABT 1876 Adair Co., KY. She was born ABT 1858 in TN and died AFT 1920 Sedan, Union Co., NM     6   William Oliver WALKUP was born 8 JUN 1857 in Adair Co., KY, and died 15 OCT 1865 in Adair Co., KY.     7   Robert Chrisman WALKUP was born 21 JAN 1860 in Adair Co., KY, and died 20 APR 1870 in Glen's Fork, Adair Co., KY.     8   John Willis WALKUP was born 3 APR 1863 in Adair Co., KY, and died 27 AUG 1923 in Wichita Falls, Wichita Co., Texas. He married Hattie Cora TURNER 4 JUN 1884 in Adair Co., KY. She was born 1863 in Adair Co., KY.     9   Thomas Lee WALKUP was born 25 AUG 1865 in Adair Co., KY.   10   Elizabeth Susan WALKUP was born 19 NOV 1867 in Adair Co., KY, and died 1941. She married Mr. MILLER.   11   Martha Luella WALKUP was born 25 JUL 1870 in Glen's Fork, Adair Co., KY. Children of Oliver Garnett WALKUP and Tabitha CAPE are:   12   Sarah Winston WALKUP was born 19 AUG 1876 in Adair Co., KY, and died 27 JUN 1927 in Elk City, Beckham Co., OK. She married John A. SHELTON 11 Feb 1892 Adair Co., KY. He was born 5 Dec 1866 Adair Co., KY and died 20 Jan 1835 Elk City, Beckham Co., OK         13 Iantha WALKUP was born 9 JAN 1877 in Adair Co., KY, and died 24 MAY 1946 in Elk City, Beckham Co., OK. She married James C. SHELTON ABT 1896 Adair Co, KY. He was born ABT 1873 Adair Co., KY and died 2 Jan 1926 in Elk City, Beckham Co., OK.   14   Leslie Garnett WALKUP was born 19 MAY 1882 in Adair Co., KY, and died 27 SEP 1942 in Elk City, Beckham Co., OK.         15 William Woodford WALKUP was born 24 DEC 1884 in Adair Co., KY, and died 24 FEB 1955 in Sayre, Beckham Co., OK. He married Virgie ROWLAND 10 Feb 1909 in Cheyenne, Roger Mills Co., OK. She was born 1888. _______________________________________________________ E-mail message From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Fri, Sep 5, 2003, 11:05am (PDT+3) To: GoseDescendant@webtv.net Subject: Re: Walkup geneaolgy In a message dated 9/4/03 11:49:33 pm, GoseDescendant@webtv.net writes: I just spoke to aunt Joann on the phone, she says there is a Walkup cousin in Amarillo, Tx. that has the proof and is collecting an indian grant. Also when she cleaned Mary Belles house after she died she found lots of pictures of indians that looked really old. she swears the proof is out there. talk to you later. Tammy The problem is, where is the proof?? So far I can't find any!! What I was told is that when Mary Belle died all the papers she had was thrown away. And no one has any idea if she was actually part American Indian or not, just that she said so. (She would have to have been part, as the Walkup side Oliver & Martha Walkup are most definately White, and as far as I can tell her maternal grandfather R.L. Shaw was also White. If there was any American Indian it would have to be thru her maternal grandmother Lon. And so far I have no idea where they were or what happened to them after 1880 Adair Co, KY. And I don't know where Harlan & Macedonia Richards were either after 1880). Alan _______________________________________________________ E-mail message From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Sat, Aug 30, 2003, 3:15pm (PDT+3) To: GoseDescendant@webtv.net, llowanda@suscom-maine.net, JAYGEE36@aol.com Subject: Walkup geneaolgy see this information too at - http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ok/BeckhamObits I do not know how these Walkups are related to your Walkups but likely they are relatives. it is the obituaries of James C. Shelton & wife Iantha (Walkup) Shelton Iantha was born 9 Jan 1877 in Adair Co, KY I'm not sure exactly who I. D. Walkup is that is mentioned in James's obituary. Iantha's brother William W. Walkup also lived in Beckham Co, OK _______________________________________________________ E-mail message From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Fri, Aug 29, 2003, 12:54am (PDT+3) To: GoseDescendant@webtv.net Subject: Re: more on Mary Belle I found the 1900 Census with Talbert & Thessalonia on it! I'll send it to the other e-mail address again. It was found in New Lisbon, Stoddard Co, MO I also found on the Adair Co, KY land record index (I haven't looked at the actual document yet) that Talbert & Thessalonia sold their 91 acres on Green River in 1899 to S.L. Banks _______________________________________________________ E-mail message From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 5:42pm (PDT+3) To: GoseDescendant@webtv.net Subject: Re: Walkup Genealogy I got the documents today in the mail. Thank you for sending them. I've looked over them and no wonder no one was able to figure out anything! These are are mixed up as it is. The Census she had to have used was not the 1900 but the 1910 (the one I sent you yesterday by e-mail) because they were not in OK in 1900 (Beckham Co, OK wasn't formed until 1907, Delhi would have been in Greer Co, OK in 1900 and they are not on this Census). Maybe they were in Kansas? Mary Belle has on the marriage application that she was born in KS (but on 1910 Census it says she was born in KY (she was born in KY as per her birth record but the marriage application and her birth record have different dates too, her birth record has the correct date; 10 May 1894). Her death certificate has her father's name wrong (E.G. Walkup); at least it has her correct birth place KY. But again it does not have her correct birth date; maybe Mary didn't know the correct date! When I go back to the FHL this week I'll check again the Soundex for the 1900 Census for Kansas to see if that might be where they were as well as Logan, Russell & Adair Counties, KY. Sincerely, Alan Lerwick _______________________________________________________ E-mail message From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 8:12pm (PDT+3) To: GoseDescendant@webtv.net, EvlTwn@aol.com Subject: Re: Walkup Genealogy Correction!!!! that should be Beckham Co, OK not Branham! I confused these names because I have Branham as a surname in my research. Sorry! Alan Lerwick _______________________________________________________ E-mail message From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 8:04pm (PDT+3) To: GoseDescendant@webtv.net Subject: Re: Walkup Genealogy I found the 1910 Census Delhi, Branham Co, OK with Talbert & Thesalona Walkup and children - Grover C, Marie B, & William R. I will send a scan of the 1910 Census Delhi, Branham Co, OK to your friend at the other e-mail that you had me send those other scans to. But I looked at both 1900 Census of Roger Mills Co and Greer Co, OK which is what Branham Co, OK was formed from in 1907 and could not find them in either County. Where Delhi is was in Greer Co during 1900. Any chance you know where they were in 1900? Is it possible they were in Russellville, KY in 1900? It is still possible that Mary mistakenly said Russellville when she meant Russell County, although her birth record (10 May 1894) is in Adair Co, KY not Russell Co, KY nor in Russellville, Logan Co, KY. When I go back to the Family History Library this week, I will look at the 1900 Census of Logan Co, KY. I could not find them on the 1900 Soundex for KY. But because they were in KY in 1899 (year of William R Walkup's birth) I am going to look through the actual Census in Logan Co, Russell Co & Adair Co, KY just to see if they are or aren't there. And I am going to be going through the land records of Branham Co. OK to find more about the land they were living on in OK. In 1907 Oklahama was made a State and no longer Oklahoma Territory/Indian Territory. Alan Lerwick _______________________________________________________ E-mail message From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 8:43pm (PDT+3) To: GoseDescendant@webtv.net Subject: Re: Walkup Genealogy If I do find any definative answers to whether or not there is any Native American blood I will let you know. In 1900 the Indian Reservations in Oklahoma were in the South-East of OK. Where Delhi, OK was and is located in South-West OK on the OK-TX state line north of the Red River. In other words they were not living anywhere near the Reservations in 1900. Alan _______________________________________________________ E-mail message From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 5:01pm (PDT+3) To: gosedescendant@webtv.net Subject: Re: Walkup Genealogy Or is it possible that what should have been written on Thurley's delayed birth certificate that her mother was born in Russell County, KY? Mary may have thought she was born in Russell Co, KY, but her birth record appears in Adair Co, KY which is right next to Russell Co, KY. Food for thought anyway. Alan Lerwick In a message dated 8/21/03 11:46:19 am, Alerwick writes: I could barely see on Thurley's delayed birth certificate that it said that her mother Mary was born in Russellville, KY. Is it possible that Talbert & Tessie lived in Logan Co, KY sometime between 1894 & 1900? As I know they were in Adair Co, KY in 1894 (that's where Mary Belle was born in 1894) The reason I state it that way is because they are not on the 1900 Census in KY (don't know where they were in 1900) but they were in KY in 1899 as their son William R Walkup was born abt 1899 in KY as per 1920 Census in Sedan, Union Co, NM. Alan Lerwick _______________________________________________________ E-mail message From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 4:55pm (PDT+3) To: GoseDescendant@webtv.net Subject: Re: Walkup Genealogy It's still possible that there might not be any Tribal affiliation. My own grandmother told me that her grandfather Abel Abraham Griffith was a Cherokee. And when I did the research on my Griffith and the colatteral lines (they lived in KY, WV & VA) I found that in fact there wasn't any Cherokee or any other Native American connection. I traced it back to Abel's great-great-grandfather and he was born in Wales about 1735. During my research I came across others who were descendants of my great-great-grandfather's brothers and they too had the same story that they were Cherokee, but this was as it turned out not to be true. The darker skin and high cheek bones were from the fact that they were Welsh. In fact my father has been asked many times if he was Native American or Mexican, despite the fact that there isn't any "Indian blood" in our family, it's all from our Welsh blood. Alan Johns Lerwick (I was adopted by my step-father Lowell Lerwick, my actual father's name is Robert Johns) _______________________________________________________ E-mail message From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 4:25pm (PDT+3) To: GoseDescendant@webtv.net Subject: Re: Walkup Genealogy In a message dated 8/21/03 2:04:02 pm, GoseDescendant@webtv.net writes: well all I know is every time I go to a reservation I blend in so I know there is a link somewhere. and word of mouth is her name was Morning Dove. that's what Mary Belle told my dad. she said cherakee but cousin chester thinks it was choctah. are you working for Dennie Wayne? I don't know what his name is. My contact to him is a friend of mine Brent Berry. _______________________________________________________ E-mail message From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 3:24pm (PDT+3) To: GoseDescendant@webtv.net Subject: Re: Walkup Genealogy Greer County, TX is now Greer County, OK _______________________________________________________ E-mail message From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 3:22pm (PDT+3) To: gosedescendant@webtv.net Subject: Re: Walkup Genealogy In a message dated 8/21/03 11:56:37 am, GoseDescendant@webtv.net writes: census of 1900 delhi township june 1 beckham Oklahoma walkup, marie daughter age 16 born kentucky emumerated in the family of Talbert A and Thesalolana W. walkup What county is this record in? Beckham Co, OK wasn't formed until 1907 from Roger Mills Co, OK & Greer Co, TX _______________________________________________________ E-mail message From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 3:10pm (PDT+3) To: GoseDescendant@webtv.net Subject: Re: Walkup Genealogy In a message dated 8/21/03 1:01:37 pm, GoseDescendant@webtv.net writes: ok everything I have is on it's way to you via snail mail. good luck, Tammy Thanks! Any information will be helpful as the vital part is where were they in OK and were they at all Native American. Alan _______________________________________________________ E-mail message From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 2:28pm (PDT+3) To: GoseDescendant@webtv.net Subject: Re: Walkup Genealogy In a message dated 8/21/03 12:09:07 pm, GoseDescendant@webtv.net writes: can you resend the birth certificate in a different format? I have a friend working on opening it for me on her computer send it to EvlTwn@aol.com she can't open it either and it won't let me forward it cause it says my mail box is to full. it's really messing up my system. thanks tammy I found that it was fragmented when I sent it to you, that is probably why you're having trouble opening it. I just finished de-fragmenting it with Norton Utilities, I'll re-send it this time to the other e-mail address. Alan _______________________________________________________ E-mail message From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 2:02pm (PDT+3) To: GoseDescendant@webtv.net Subject: Re: Walkup Genealogy In a message dated 8/21/03 11:56:37 am, GoseDescendant@webtv.net writes: census of 1900 delhi township june 1 beckham Oklahoma walkup, marie daughter age 16 born kentucky emumerated in the family of Talbert A and Thesalolana W. walkup ---------------------------------------------- Thanks! I'll take another look at this Census. Maybe that's where they were in 1910 too! Also, on Mary Belle Walkup's birth record (b. 10 May 1894 Adair Co, KY) her parents are listed as - T.W. Walkup & Thesalonia Shaw _______________________________________________________ E-mail message From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 1:46pm (PDT+3) To: GoseDescendant@webtv.net Subject: Re: Walkup Genealogy I could barely see on Thurley's delayed birth certificate that it said that her mother Mary was born in Russellville, KY. Is it possible that Talbert & Tessie lived in Logan Co, KY sometime between 1894 & 1900? As I know they were in Adair Co, KY in 1894 (that's where Mary Belle was born in 1894) The reason I state it that way is because they are not on the 1900 Census in KY (don't know where they were in 1900) but they were in KY in 1899 as their son William R Walkup was born abt 1899 in KY as per 1920 Census in Sedan, Union Co, NM. Alan Lerwick _______________________________________________________ E-mail message From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Wed, Aug 20, 2003, 10:22pm (PDT+3) To: GoseDescendant@webtv.net Subject: Re: Mary Belle Walkup In a message dated 8/20/03 12:46:26 pm, GoseDescendant@webtv.net writes: I'd like to see more of what you have and compare notes. What's your relationship to Mary Belle? I am her oldest sons daughter. I live in Salt Lake City. UT and was asked to research to try and find evidence that the family is or is not either Choctaw or Cherokee. I am not at any way related to Mary Belle Walkup. But have been researching her genealogy because I was asked to help. A friend of mine who is a friend of someon that is related to her wants to register a business as a Native American business needs to have some sort of tangile proof, that is why I have been enlisted to help. My own personal genealogy is up on Rootsweb/Ancestry in the family tree files. As far as notes go I have found Thessalonia on the 1880 Census living in Columbia, Adair Co, KY with her parents (both father & mother), husband, two sons and one daughter, a sister and a brother-in-law. All listed as being white. R.L. Shaw is most definately white as he is listed as a physician and he is training his son-in-law (also listed as physician) Harlan Richards to the trade of doctoring. So far I have been unable to locate R.L. & Lon J. Shaw on the 1860 Census in TN (nor on the 1870 Census either in TN or KY). According to the 1880 Census Adair Co, KY, Thessalonia was born abt 1858 in TN and Macedonia was born abt 1861, which firmly places the Shaws in 1860 living in TN. Thessalonia is also on the 1920 Census living alone in Sedan, Union Co, NM white female, age 59, born TN (listed as Tessie Walkup) I would like to know what you know as the ones here in SLC that are family to Mary Belle don't know much. As far as I can tell the youngest child of Talbert & Tessie was William R Walkup born abt 1899 KY (he and wife and one child appear on the 1920 Census in Sedan, Union Co, KY). I have tried to find Talbert & Thessalonia "Tessie" Walkup on the Census of 1900 & 1910 and cannot find them listed in KY, MO, KS, OK or NM. If they were actually in OK during 1900 to 1911 they very well might have been on Indian Territiory as during these years OK was partly Federal lands and partly Indian Territory (Mary Belle Walkup & Arthur Gose married in 1912/1913 in Union Co, NM and the 1920 Census confirms that they were in NM at least by 1914 as their oldest child listed on the 1920 Census was born 6 years ago in NM). It would be great to know where the land was that Mary was getting payments from. And as far as where the mocasins came from, I don't have a good answer. Because at this point all the records have Mary's grandparents on both sides listed in the Census as white. Sincerely, Alan Lerwick _______________________________________________________ E-mail message From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Wed, Aug 20, 2003, 9:51pm (PDT+3) To: GoseDescendant@webtv.net Subject: Re: Mary Belle Walkup In a message dated 8/20/03 12:46:26 pm, GoseDescendant@webtv.net writes: Regarding your enty in my guestbook on Gose Descendants page, I don't know if you can read this but it is Thurleys birth certificate Mary Belles oldest daughter, it says Mary Belle was born in Russelville, Kentucky. ---------------------------------------------- Russellville, KY is in Logan County, KY Mary Belle Walkup's birth record is located in Adair Co, KY she was born a white female child on 10 May 1894 to Talbert Walkup & Thessalonia Shaw this original birth record was found on microfilm at the Family History Lirary in Salt Lake City, UT on records that were microfilmed in Adair Co, KY _______________________________________________________ From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Tue, Sep 16, 2003, 7:44pm (PDT+3) To: GoseDescendant@webtv.net Subject: Re: Walkup Genealogy In a message dated 9/16/03 6:18:32 am, GoseDescendant@webtv.net writes: that was the bob shaw the movie glory was based on. that would be so cool if he turned out to be my bobs nephew! Col. Robert Gould Shaw was born in Boston, Massachusetts I don't think he was likely a close relative of your Dr. Robert Shaw. ------------------------------------------------------- From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Tue, Sep 16, 2003, 7:51pm (PDT+3) To: GoseDescendant@webtv.net Subject: Col. Robert Gould Shaw Col. Robert Gould Shaw was born in 1837 Boston, MA and died 1863 Ft Wagner, SC he was s/o Francis George Shaw & Sarah Blake Sturgis ------------------------------------------------------- From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Thu, Sep 18, 2003, 4:15pm (PDT+3) To: GoseDescendant@webtv.net Subject: DAR you might try looking around their website at : http://www.dar.org Alan ------------------------------------------------------- From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Sat, Oct 4, 2003, 12:08pm (PDT+3) To: GoseDescendant@webtv.net, Justicegurl@msn.com, JAYGEE36@aol.com, sheepnmore@hotmail.com, jesseelg@earthlink.net, Carolinkee@aol.com, SilknDelights@msn.com Subject: Re: Gramma's Parents In a message dated 10/4/03 9:21:17 am, JAYGEE36 writes: These are not Mary Bell's parents. They are her grandparents. I don't know if it's the Shaw or the Walkup grandparents. There were no names on the picture only:"the great grandparents of Bob Walkup". I thought & I stress Thought that it possibly was Thesalonia's parents as the woman looks a lot like the picture of Thesalonia that I sent to Tammy. It was a family picture of T.W.. Thesalonia & all the children. Joann ------------------------------------------------------- From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Mon, Oct 6, 2003, 5:55pm (PDT+3) To: GoseDescendant@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: SHAW Tammy,       Looks like I have some more news to let you know! See e-mail below from descendant of Thessalonia's sister Macedonia. Alan Lerwick In a message dated 10/6/03 1:53:15 pm, allent@simplexdirect.com writes: Sir, I am a descendant of Harlan Richards and Louisa Macedonia Shaw. Saw your e-mail address and thought i'd ask if you have any other info on the Shaw's. One note about Native American roots, my grandfather told me several times that his Grandmother (Louisa Macedonia Shaw) had the features and complexion of a Native American. The story of Morning Dove may be true. Also, i've seen a scanned image of the 1880 census entry for R.L. Shaw, and believe his wife's name should be Lou J., suspect she may have been the Native American. Please respond. Respectfully, Allen Turley Content-Class:    urn:content-classes:message Subject:    SHAW Date:    Mon, Oct 6, 2003, 2:48pm (PDT+2) X-MS-Has-Attach:    Thread-Topic:    SHAW Thread-Index:    AcOMQy/vikAj+vfLEde9eQAQtQ5qLw== From:    "Allen Turley" To:    X-AOL-IP:    207.0.244.200 Sir, I am a descendant of Harlan Richards and Louisa Macedonia Shaw. Saw your e-mail address and thought i'd ask if you have any other info on the Shaw's. One note about Native American roots, my grandfather told me several times that his Grandmother (Louisa Macedonia Shaw) had the features and complexion of a Native American. The story of Morning Dove may be true. Also, i've seen a scanned image of the 1880 census entry for R.L. Shaw, and believe his wife's name should be Lou J., suspect she may have been the Native American. Please respond. Respectfully, Allen Turley ------------------------------------------------------- From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Mon, Oct 6, 2003, 11:47pm (PDT+3) To: allent@simplexdirect.com, gosedescendant@webtv.net, justicegurl@msn.com, JAYGEE36@aol.com, sheepnmore@hotmail.com, jesseelg@earthlink.net, Carolinkee@aol.com, silkndelights@msn.com Subject: Robert L. "Bob" Shaw medical license I got the medical license page today from Adair Co, KY Court Clerk. I will scan it tomorrow and send it to you. It doesn't have anything that will help us know where in TN they lived. He was a practioner of Medicine in the Alopathic system of medicine. He had practiced medicine since 1864. He was born in Pittsylvania Co, VA. He was 62 as of 1 Apr 1889 (date of medical license registration) [62 in 1889; born abt 1827] Sincerely, Alan Lerwick ------------------------------------------------------- From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Tue, Oct 7, 2003, 12:00am (PDT+3) To: allent@simplexdirect.com, gosedescendant@webtv.net, justicegurl@msn.com, JAYGEE36@aol.com, sheepnmore@hotmail.com, jesseelg@earthlink.net, Carolinkee@aol.com, silkndelights@msn.com Subject: Re: Alopatic medicine Alopatic medicine (also spelled Allopathic) is the system of medicine that M.D.s practice. Alan Lerwick ------------------------------------------------------- From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Tue, Oct 7, 2003, 12:05am (PDT+3) To: allent@simplexdirect.com, gosedescendant@webtv.net, justicegurl@msn.com, JAYGEE36@aol.com, sheepnmore@hotmail.com, jesseelg@earthlink.net, Carolinkee@aol.com, silkndelights@msn.com Subject: Re: Alopathic medicine CORRECTION spelled Alopathic and Allopathic Alan Lerwick ------------------------------------------------------- From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Tue, Oct 7, 2003, 12:09am (PDT+3) To: allent@simplexdirect.com, gosedescendant@webtv.net, justicegurl@msn.com, JAYGEE36@aol.com, sheepnmore@hotmail.com, jesseelg@earthlink.net, Carolinkee@aol.com, silkndelights@msn.com Subject: Re: Robert L. "Bob" Shaw medical license also, it appears that the medical license has Robert's hand written signature. Alan Lerwick ------------------------------------------------------- From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Tue, Oct 7, 2003, 12:49am (PDT+3) To: gosedescendant@webtv.net Subject: photo TW & Thess Walkup Tammy,       Possibly can you send the photo that was sent to you of TW & Thess and children? I'd like to see it, if you'd send it to me. Thanks, Alan Lerwick ------------------------------------------------------- From: Alerwick@aol.com Date: Wed, Oct 8, 2003, 12:20pm (PDT+3) To: gosedescendant@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: RE: Harlan & Macedonia looks like there aren't any photos extant of Harlan & Macedonia. Alan Content-Class:    urn:content-classes:message Subject:    RE: Harlan & Macedonia Date:    Wed, Oct 8, 2003, 7:53am (PDT+2) X-MS-Has-Attach:    Thread-Topic:    Harlan & Macedonia Thread-Index:    AcOM/vejxZBtt1dmS++kYXpxxYjkGwAmhqWA From:    "Allen Turley" To:    X-AOL-IP:    207.0.244.200 Sir, Unfortunately, i know of no photos of Harlan and Macedonia. If there were any handed down to my Grandfather, they would probably been destroyed when my Grandparents' home burned in about 1963 or 4. This branch of the family has been one of my 'brick walls' since i began researching 26 years ago. Both of my Mother's parents were alive then, and getting any info from them on their family was like pulling teeth, despite repeated questioning. Don't even know Harlan or Macedonia's date of death or burial place. Recently i have found info on Harlan's family back 3 more generations, but Macedonia has always been a mystery, always thinking that her line was indeed Native American, and that there were no records extant because of that. So any info you could add would be greatly appriciated. Thank you very much for the scan of R.L. Shaw's medical registration. Do you think that the info in the affidavit suggests that the family moved to Kentucky about 1874? Have located a Shaw family in Roane County, Tennessee who came from Pittsylvania County, Virginia, but no hint yet that R.L. is related, will continue to search. Many Thanks Respectfully, Allen -----Original Message----- From: Alerwick@aol.com [mailto:Alerwick@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 1:14 PM To: Allen Turley Subject: Harlan & Macedonia any chance you've got any photos of Harlan & Macedonia? Alan Lerwick
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